How To Print Sepia Color Photos On Your Epson Expression Photo Xp-960
FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives even worst results
Howdy
I recently purchased an Epson XP-960 printer to print some of my photography works. The printer has six cartridges. Only one black ink.
The colour prints are good nonetheless considering it only has one blackness cartridge the blackness and white prints give me a flake of magenta tint to the photos.
I read in many articles that if I profile the printer manually it would fix the trouble.
So I got a SpyderPRINT profiling device. But at present the trouble is that the upshot is even worst, it now gives me prints with a bit of sepia effect. I tried to manually tune the ICC profile but no matter how much I adjust them they are still not equally good.
I impress my photos in Adobe Lightroom, if I cull manage by printer in the colour management and in the printer preferences set it to Grayscale and then the print would be much better and closer to neutral but all the same I can run across the magenta tint.
I'1000 wondering if the problem is the calibrator device or something else, equally I think it should still give me a ameliorate consequence than what the factory setting is.
Has any i experienced something similar this, anyone worked with SpyderPRINT is information technology skillful? Should I change it and go a ColorMunki ?
Thanks
Feri
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Charles2 • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,670
Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives fifty-fifty worst results
See the cursory but informative section on Black and White in Keith Cooper'southward review of the printer:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-expression-photo-xp-960-printer-review/
JRWood • Regular Member • Posts: 204
Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives even worst results
If you'd similar I can assistance with a profile if you can't get this solved. Accept you made profiles earlier? What is your workflow for creating a contour?
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OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives even worst results
Thanks a lot
Well this is my first time, but I followed some tutorials and articles simply to make sure I am doing it right
I use SpyderPrint 5 software to print the targets, and the following are the details and procedures I have taken
1. Newspaper: PermaJet Luster Titanium A4
2. Printed targets of Classic Loftier Quality Target plus Greyness (two pages)
three. Waited an hour for them to dry
4. Started measuring, made sure all the colours been measured accurately
5. Created the contour
6. Used Lightroom and printed my black and white photo using the profile
The starting time effect got a cast of sepia in information technology, it gets better when its dry merely still not every bit neutral equally information technology is supposed to be.
I started modifying the profile using SpyderPRINT software I manage to become the sepia and magenta cast much less simply it seems that cyan and light-green kicks in and the photo lose contrast.
Thanks
Feri
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plantdoc • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,104
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My Epson R280 that I believe used the same six color Claria inks did not produce neutral B&W prints, but my efforts were limited. I currently utilise a Catechism all in ane that uses 3 colors and blackness and gray plus pigment black for text. B&W prints are much better. I believe Catechism for some reason has changed the ink set to eliminate the grey and switch to blueish. This baffles me.. blue? You might be able to pick upwards the Canon 77?? for less than the price of the ink. Deals are great on the remain supplies. I well-nigh bought one for $twoscore with costless shipping.
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FeriTala wrote:
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Has any ane experienced something like this, anyone worked with SpyderPRINT is information technology expert? Should I change information technology and go a ColorMunki ?
Thanks
Feri
No, become a ameliorate printer
Seriously though, I had 1 to test for a review and with good profiling kit information technology was capable of quite dainty prints.
Here's a ~2700 patch profiling target I fabricated (for i1isis Twoscore + i1Profiler)
The new colormunki will give pretty skilful results on some papers, just I'g inclined to suggest that a better printer and profiles from newspaper manufacturers is maybe a better expenditure?
The 960 is a dainty enough printer, merely making profiles (apart from for testing) seems a chip misplaced?
For B&W, even my rather expensive profiling kit and software wasn't enough to put into the 'Good for B&Westward' category.
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OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives even worst results
How-do-you-do Keith
Thanks for your fourth dimension,
I have actually read your review it was very helpful.
I managed to go actually good colour photos out of this printer, I also managed to get some kind of neutral BW images later modifying the profiles but the problem is that why SpyderPrint is giving me these nonsense results (correct later profiling it gives a very sepia results), is it the profiler device or the printer?
Come across the following photos
The left photo I got it from a magazine assuming it was neutral and I could use it as my base, on the correct I have created dissimilar contour settings, top left is close to the original SpyderPrint contour (yous tin see the sepia issue) and top correct is the ane which I retrieve is close to neutral, equally you come across the others take a tint of either sepia or green in them (it was much worst before customizing the profiles)
I accept a warm lighting in my room so this photos is not showing accurate results to exist honest.
Now I'chiliad not sure if I should render the SpyderPrint and get a ColorMunki?
Thanks
Feri
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Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives fifty-fifty worst results
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B&W press is e'er a tricky 1 with single blackness ink printers and having tried the xp-960, the actual choice of profiling kit doesn't take nearly equally much difference as y'all might want.
Profiles made with various papers are e'er likely to show color casts depending on paper color (and OBAs), the ink set, and the viewing lighting
I couldn't get spot-on B&Westward via the driver, even with kit+software that retails for getting on for $5000, so getting a colormunki is unlikely to help...
The 960 will brand very good colour prints, and profiling tin can help.
I've a 24" Catechism TX-2000 due to turn up here adjacent year to examination - thats just CMYK and I'll requite it a go for colour and B&W, as much as an experiment to encounter what tin exist done, every bit opposed to looking at information technology as a 'photo print' solution.
Out of marvel, did you use the SpyderPrint target with the extended greys?(I realise that even mentioning the SpyderPrint will become me cited by the colour management thought police, but what the ****, I've used it in the by and information technology worked
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OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives even worst results
I run into, my understanding from the profiling then far is that information technology is possible to create a skillful profile for B&Due west and get it shut to neutral just it will cost ink and newspaper they demand to be printed so many times and try different contour modifications. (I hope I am right :D)
Yes I printed the archetype High Quality Target plus Grays (two pages, one colour and i grays)
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FeriTala wrote:
I see, my agreement from the profiling then far is that it is possible to create a good profile for B&W but and get it close to neutral merely it will toll ink and paper and I demand to print then many times and effort dissimilar profile modifications. (I hope I am correct :D)
Yep I printed the classic High Quality Target plus Grays (to pages, one colour and one grays)
From experience with the printer, you lot -may- get a usable B&Westward profile that gives a reasonable looking print, simply the moment you take it into a room with dissimilar lighting it may or may non await non then good.
Profile modifications, as in the sorts of adjustments with SpyderPrint, will indeed allow you use upwards a lot of ink and newspaper, but offer no certainty of improved results.
Put simply, this is a printer best for colour prints...
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OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
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Right, I recollect I will stick to colours for now and either print my B&Due west photos with effect of sepia or give them to a specialist for prints.
Thanks a lot for your help
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Perchance not enough drying time
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3. Waited an hour for them to dry
That may non exist long enough. I have an Epson R280 that uses the same Claria Hard disk inks as your XP-960. My uncalibrated eyeballs lead my to call up that the colour is notwithstanding shifting for well over an hr after press. I would give serious consideration to trying again and waiting at to the lowest degree 12 hours for the prints to dry out before trying to employ the SpyderPrint on them.
That said, do non expect miracles with B&West prints from the XP-960. I take gotten decent, but not better than decent, B&Due west prints with my R280. OTOH, the Canon Pro-100 at the office, which has black, gray, and lite grayness inks, produces much better B&W prints.
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Petruska • Veteran Member • Posts: 9,189
FeriTala, one question...........
When yous print your profiling target prints did y'all turn off color management in the printer driver?
Likewise when yous impress with LR managing the colors, y'all must also use those verbal same printer commuter settings that you lot used to print the target prints.
Bob P.
OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
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NAwlins Contrarian wrote:
three. Waited an hour for them to dry
That may not be long enough. I accept an Epson R280 that uses the same Claria Hard disk drive inks as your XP-960. My uncalibrated eyeballs lead my to remember that the color is still shifting for well over an hour subsequently printing. I would give serious consideration to trying again and waiting at least 12 hours for the prints to dry before trying to use the SpyderPrint on them.
That said, practice not expect miracles with B&W prints from the XP-960. I have gotten decent, but not better than decent, B&W prints with my R280. OTOH, the Canon Pro-100 at the office, which has black, gray, and light gray inks, produces much better B&W prints.
Sure, will try it.
Thank you
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OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: FeriTala, ane question...........
Petruska wrote:
When you impress your profiling target prints did y'all plow off color direction in the printer commuter?
Too when yous print with LR managing the colors, y'all must also use those exact same printer commuter settings that you lot used to print the target prints.
Bob P.
Yep I followed the SpyderPrint guide. Yep did the same in LR.
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OP FeriTala • Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: Epson XP-960 Printer profiling gives even worst results
Non completely off topic, by any adventure anyone knows a good lab to print photos in the U.k.? Preferably in London!
Thanks
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jtoolman • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,815
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FeriTala wrote:
NAwlins Contrarian wrote:
3. Waited an hr for them to dry
That may not exist long enough. I have an Epson R280 that uses the same Claria Hd inks as your XP-960. My uncalibrated eyeballs lead my to think that the color is notwithstanding shifting for well over an hr after press. I would give serious consideration to trying again and waiting at least 12 hours for the prints to dry before trying to use the SpyderPrint on them.
That said, do non look miracles with B&Westward prints from the XP-960. I accept gotten decent, but not better than decent, B&W prints with my R280. OTOH, the Canon Pro-100 at the office, which has blackness, gray, and light gray inks, produces much better B&W prints.
Certain, will endeavour it.
Thanks
Did you lot plough off colour management in the driver when y'all printed both the profile charts and you own prints?
Joe
Petruska • Veteran Member • Posts: ix,189
Yes, he did..........
jtoolman wrote:
Did y'all plough off color direction in the driver when you lot printed both the profile charts and you own prints?
Joe
See his postal service below mine.
Bob P.
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FeriTala wrote:
Not completely off topic, by any chance anyone knows a proficient lab to print photos in the UK? Preferably in London!
Thanks
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Gesture • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: nine,441
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In the US, ITSupplies volition make a Profile for $25. There should be someone in the United kingdom of great britain and northern ireland who will offer a similar service. This would be a check confronting your work. Also, Adobe makes a small printing utility expressly for printing out profile targets. Might be worth trying. It'due south called the Adobe Color Printer Utility.
Keith Cooper has shared his experiences.
I take endemic several of the Epson half-dozen dye ink printers and the Canon 5 dye plus pigment. And, for the most part, the Canons with 5 dye inks volition produce a more neutral B&Due west than the Epson 6 dye ink printers.
If yous have Photoshop, I would experiment with some Duotone, Tritone, Quadtone conversions. They might work quite well and do better than "straight" B&W for your work.
Based on off-set printing legacy and the fact that in the early days of fine art inkjet printing it was HARD to go neutral across the entire tonal ramp monochrome prints, Duotones were quite useful.
I regret that printers have turned away from them, because they produce superb aesthetic effects. You may yet find a few tutorials on the web.
Proficient LUCK.
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